This documentary follows a microdosing party event by Paradygm Xchange in Amsterdam, exploring how psychedelic experiences are being integrated into social settings through intentional events and gourmet microdosed beverages. The video features conversations with event organizers, a palliative care doctor researching psychedelics for end-of-life anxiety, and the creators of Happy Tea microdosed cocktails.
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We are bringing events that are just designed for deeper connection. >> No, I I've never seen such an event before. >> It requires education. It requires um creating the safety in their environment, creating also the intentionality. >> Who take in the end of their life just one time and they are like clear the dirt and this >> they have a cafe where you can go and you can have micro doing uh and pair that with maybe a latte or a tea. an alternative for going out that is just not going to a bar and where maybe they feel they're missing more depth or maybe they're just like exploring just quitting alcohol and they're wondering you know like okay what do I do if I don't drink alcohol how do I socialize >> so we approach our blends very much from uh a culinary background to make sure that they're layered like a cocktail and that there's something yeah something you want to drink socially >> because if I can if I can solve this big problem that is the fear of dying or defer the debt with my passion is like that I won. I won because it's it's the most difficult uh part of the general illness that they have. >> Creating spaces where we can just be connecting with like more authenticity with more ease that you can be networking that you can be having fun, you can be playing, you can be dancing and you can also have depth and you can also go into deeper conversations and you can also be having more ways of connecting that are just not only talking and talking. to appreciate life like to catch moments to to try and to don't ask maybe this is good if I do or not just do it and when I talk with them they have a big list of a lot of stuff that they never done >> regrets >> yeah and a lot of regrets too I was saying and uh I I wish that people can enjoy life just these cameras around and I'm so desperately >> Oh, they are good. Yes, we just got to the intention corner to connect with ourselves and tap into our intention for the night. Um, what do we want to feel? What do we want to experience? And then we're going to write our intention on a postcard. Post P post P post P post P post P post P post P post P post P post P postit. >> Yeah. >> And then we're going to post it in the in the wall. Welcome, welcome, dear ones. For the ones who have arrived, you're very welcome to join us at the dance floor. You already know your body a bit. >> The best cocktail. >> The best cocktail. >> No, that depends because we have two cocktails. The state flow, it's more the energy of water, so more cooling down and refreshing. And we have the second one, Fuego, and that's more fiery. >> Okay. >> So, you can choose where you >> So, that those are the two cocktails you have. Okay. Depends on the how you're feeling, I guess. >> Yes. Yes. So, what do you need? Do you do you need more fire to open up or do you need more cooling down to ground and relax more? >> Okay. >> So, it depends. >> So, what's your name? >> Zab. >> And what do you do here? >> I'm a spaceholder. >> A spaceer. And how did you get to this uh this event, this organization that does this event? I was um joining Leila and Bart's events for years and uh yeah we are friends also. So they invited me I think one year ago or something to this event and since then I'm coming to space every now and then. >> What do you think is unique about this event? >> It's very unique. There's a lot >> everything right. Is there any any other person doing something like this? H. >> Is there any other person doing something like this? >> No, I I've never seen such an event before. >> It's brilliant to have a microing event, >> like a party. What is the thing that you most like about this this event? >> That we're not drinking alcohol or taking drugs, but we are taking macadamones, um, mushrooms, truffles, uh, which I love to do do in my day-to-day life sometimes, every now and then. Uh, but then this is in a social setting. Uh, and it it brings a collective experience. Uh and I think yeah it was really fun and enjoyable. >> How did you get to to this event? >> Because I really like psychedelics. Yeah. >> Find it very very powerful powerful tool. So I really love using it. Really connects myself with nature with with people and with myself. So you you use them for internal trips and discover more about yourself >> like both of them like sometimes really internal internal and other times I feel like really going external. >> Okay. I think I'm not I'm sorry. the spicy one. No. >> So, tell me a bit about yourself. What's your name? >> Yes. My name is Daniel Figucho. I'm a doctor and I'm specializ in paliative care. So usually I work with people at the end of the of the life. Usually people enter their cancer or illness that there isn't treatment for that. I don't work in the hospital but we go in the house of each patient that's the bed and I build a team with n psychology or physiootherapy and all what the patient need or who occupy about the jenna for example or the patient and we stay with them until the end now is 2 years that I'm studying figures uh >> can we go in there? >> Yes sir. the music is a bit loud. >> Yes. Yes. We can go here. Now is 2 years that I'm studying psychedelics and uh and I think that is uh is a the period of the reborn of psychedelics in medicine uh because before the next song like the was legal after became illegal and now Trump for example want to take again the psychedelics in Italy where I live is totally different it's illegal and now by an association that the name is Luca Gooni. We are trying to take back this uh this abidio in psychedelics to help people uh to the end of life because people that will ask uh for example we have a patient that want to to do theia but when they take doses of high doses of psilocybin they feel like connected with all the cosmo with all the world with the universe and past this fear of that and that's why I'm here doing this amazing experience tonight and and I knew you also was a pleasure. So your investigation essentially you have discovered that psycho sibling helps >> yes >> cancer patients to be on peace >> when they are facing death >> is is true who stay bad is sick has an illness has symptoms that are physics one for example uh pain um pain and um there are a lot of type of pain for example there is one pain that is the neuropathic one that come from the spine and you treat with drugs all these symptoms physics but for the uh psychological part you can treat every time with drugs the common SSRI you need uh exclusive like to treat with mushroom or with psychedelics and now is the period of reborn because in France they accept now the ketamine um here is legal. I mean it's something really really important for me. We're going to see a way for psychedelics now like >> uh no they will will uh will will be a common use in few years because uh the research that now we are doing or the research that already my colleague did are super super good like uh there are a lot of benefit just benefit uh me I'm concentrate for the end of life because who use CBD for depression for example People need more time, more goals uh who take in the end of the life just one time and they are like free of the death and this. >> Is there anybody else doing similar research in for the and for the end of life or yours is you? No, no, no. For the end of life, uh there are in America, in Switzerland, I think, but uh in Italy, just because it's illegal, I will be the first I will be the first doctor that treat the first patient to the end of life. And we're going to see how it work. >> Why did you started in this journey? Why why do you do it? uh ending because if I can if I can solve this big problem that is the fear of dying or the fear of the death but my passion is like that I won I won because is is the most difficult uh part of the general illness that they have that put them sick. I have passion that around for example now is we are going to the summer period so it means that there is light until 10 11 in the night in some part of the world for example when we pass from the summer period through the winter one that already at 5:00 p.m. is dark outside. They start to breathe in different way there. They have this ania this anxiety crisis that increase a lot. But with the mushroom, you solve everything for just one time and it's amazing. >> One last thing one lesson that you have seen from all your experiences. >> Oh, I can say what I live each day. Each day I leave people that they was saying good after bad illness, bad cancer and they they flow. So uh what I can say to appreciate life to catch moments to to travel to don't ask maybe this is good if I do or not just do it. And when I spoke with them they have a big list of a lot of stuff that they never done. >> Regrets. >> Yeah. and a lot of regrets too. I was saying Tambian and uh I I wish that people can enjoy life just this >> and one does ask and ask people are going to watch this link in YouTube any connection that you would like to get from here researchers or any >> uh yes they they can watch what I told you that in Netflix there is this I don't know how Sarah in in Spanish uh but is how to change your mind in English in Italian Yes. And the second episode is about the sales bill and this exactly what I'm I'm going to go to do now proximally. >> So you would like to be connected with people that's interested generally. >> Yes. Know more with the with with the researcher I mean do an good network >> network of researchers in this. Okay. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Perfect. >> Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, I I You I I I Are they Bow down. Welcome everybody and the speakers will give you guys the space to introduce yourself and everybody for sitting here for learning something. Um today is also the nature of our party but we want to really talk about it and the topic is psychedelics and conscious relating. Something very powerful that plant masons and do is that they let us see patterns very kind like they bring the [ __ ] show to the table very easily right so it's almost impossible to not see them then what do we do with that right how do we create that change I did psychedelics recreationally at first and did not benefit at all from it until I started to spiral out of control and had to face all my demons >> right talking about how are we relating cuz part of me where feels that last part was not actually coming from how I'm relating to that was my mind talking >> resonance and respecting both what I feel as receiving the other one and then see what we can create Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Hello guys. So tell me a bit about you. What who you are? What do you do? >> Hi, I'm Sara. >> Hi, I'm Adrian. >> And we're part of Happy Tea. And we make adaptogenic tea blends prepared with micro doing. And this is so that it's also more delicious and also sharable. >> Yeah. Because the truffle flavor usually is not really good, right? >> Yes. If you're familiar with truffles, you know, they don't taste very good. So, we make sure that they do taste good >> and make sure that it's a proper experience as you're enjoying your micro doing. How did this started? How did you guys started this? >> So, this really started from my personal journey of giving up alcohol and looking for something new. I was making experimenting in my own kitchen making these tea blends at home and then started inviting friends over during co >> I was one of those friends and my background is being a chef and a food developer and so I was able to be very like oh why don't you add this and this ingredients and that was very quickly like oh let's let's actually like join forces and we had the both technicals uh to go through. So, we approach our blends very much from uh a culinary background to make sure that they're layered like a cocktail and that there's something Yeah. something you want to drink socially. >> Which challenges do you have right now? >> Right now, I mean, we're trying to normalize this and make this Yeah. a normal thing. And it does take a long time to do that. And also, our society is not built for that. And so we still have to push a lot of boundaries and work in a lot of gray zones and yeah try to normalize something that is heavily stigmatized. >> And is there any lesson that you would like to give to other people that are watching this or any any learning that you received from your journey? >> I mean our message is really just to be open to try something new and be open to inviting your friends to try something new. Um >> to get the knowledge that you don't have. I think a lot of what we do is education because people don't really understand what they're going to be drinking and tasting and through that actually we reach in so many people that they're like oh this is actually very approachable and very understandable. >> Yeah. Once you know >> once you know it's so much easier like the there's not mystery there. >> Hello guys here we are with Leah one of the co-founders of Parad exchange. >> Hello. >> Nice to see you Mia. >> Nice to see you. Thank you for an invitation. >> So we went the other day to Parad Exchange and we tested all the cocktails. We saw what where they were doing the whole concept and now we have Leah the co-ounder so she can explain us a bit more about the concept why they they started it and what's the origin. >> Yeah. Well, I was really glad you were there and you could experience this new way of going out for the very first time. And yeah, the origin is there. We never planned to do like and originally how we are phrasing this part exchange is more like the bigger organization and the marketing parties are the concept and the idea where we are bringing events that are just designed for deeper connection and when I say deeper connection is maybe like what we went or more a bit of the origin was quite unexpected. Um both Leila me we have been uh for quite some time working with plant medicine and in particular with micro doing as a tool for transformation and for me in particular has been always as something to be doing in a more ceremonial setting right so with more like in a bigger dose or with myself more for mental improvement or wellness and cognition. So I never really thought about okay like putting that like in another context that would be social. I I never really thought about it although of course I have used that myself but not necessarily with a lot of people. Uh so we came across after we organized a big conference some years ago we wanted to yeah we were just wondering how would it be you know we were having a lot of speakers around psychedelics and how that can actually play a role in particular for intimacy but also for connection that was kind of like the big spectrum of everything and we started to ask ourselves okay how would this be to be putting that on Yeah. like in real time, you know, in play. So, you know, not just only talking psychedelics, but actually doing them, but not doing them just like, okay, let's get everyone, you know, like doing that. No, when we speak about psychedelics, there are a lot of responsibilities, right? It's not um it's not something you can just pour into the world and, you know, hope that can go well. No, it requires education. It requires um creating the safety in the environment, creating also the intentionality. We're also working with plants and well in this case plants. We don't work with substances because everything is legal here in the Netherlands for working with truffle. So we're working also with medicines that they carry thousands of years and they carry also they have been keeping uh like for different um cultures and Mexicans you know like I have seen also what that play like historically into there's been a lot of oppression from this. So there are like a lot of things that are layered when we are working with this that we need to put in the right context and give the right education. So with all that into account that's how we created a parties. Um so we met Sara which is also founding happy tea and she was one of the p she's one of the pioneers still they have the first micro doing tea uh shop in Amsterdam. They have a cafe where you can go and you can have micro doing uh and pair that with maybe a latte or a tea. So I think for me it was just also like finding out right like how it is to be creating this business where I could see also her vision and I could really feel totally like that feels really a way that could be aligned. So we gave it a try. Long story short, we had the first party and it was more like a networking and we saw just people, you know, coming looking to actually meet other people maybe in a psychedelic scene or they were psychically curious and then it was just like like a breathing of everyone was just so relaxed around each other and suddenly it was more like feeling that people could really be more themselves like in in different levels. So it was almost like it started actually more like a social experiment you know like an experiment of you know how would it be you know we were wondering you know how would it be just not to talk but to also try it out but also put the right setting and also create you know like the guidelines that can make it safe and you know that can make it intentional everything and then we had happy tea and you know like there were like a whole you know different points in the in the orchestra for it to be playing well right and it played fantastic and it was a very insightful experience to see also the effects that has happened for people uh which of course Sarah had researched a lot and she had been also organizing these sort of parties already for longer time so you know there was already like quite a few experiences but for us of course like more the core of this hasn't been necessarily only focusing the parties on putting that you know like you need to come and you need to take micro dosing a lot of people can come and sometimes they don't even take micro doing so sometimes they are just coming and they want to find maybe an alternative for going out that is just not going to a bar and where maybe they feel they're missing more depth or maybe they're just like exploring just quitting alcohol and they're wondering you know like okay what do I do if I don't drink alcohol how do I socialize what could be healthier alternatives or maybe there's also people right like I know all the other healthy alternatives because I was that was my own story as well with going a lot to more conscious clubbing and conscious parties um more spaces where maybe there was a deeper way of interacting without words or maybe like totally sober and I love those spaces and I highly recommend also people trying that out. Um and we also do some events that are told like in more in that direction but we were still kind of wondering right like sometimes for a lot of people when they go to these more um so-cal conscious events they could find out like they maybe don't belong there like it feels maybe way too serious or like way too spiritual you know like and there's kind of like this sense of belonging you know where do I belong if I don't belong to bar you know like if I don't belong to you know like the house party if I don't belong to you know the the ecstatic dance you know where where what's my place right and so we were really like finding what is the sweet spot, you know, where we're like, "Yeah, we're missing, you know, you know, like bars also have something special, you know, like, you know, like the the ease, you know, like the chats that you get with someone. Um, you know, clubs also have something special, right? Like having just like let go and dance all night long and you know, like forget about everything. And also maybe right like also expectants have something really special. Wow, everyone's so like in the same frequency. No one's judging you. It's without words. So it's kind of like you know it's not we always say this is not your average party. We always say you know this is not silent space. This is also not going to be your average loud clo uh noisy club. It's it's not also a ceremony but it's also a ceremony. Right. So it's kind of just like putting everything together into space where you can be more of yourself a space where you can be right like when when we go also to networking right also a lot of people network. A lot of people also sometimes they found out like you know we had already some stories of you know they met their partner actually there so like we have more stories of people actually meeting their group of friends there also collaborators. So that's really cool, you know, like all of this happens but without us having the goal that that happens. But what happens many times in social interactions is that we go to a place and we are a bit kind of like I need to perform and especially with partying like it there is a bit of performance anxiety very subconscious for a lot of people like certain way you need to be behaving uh or maybe certain way you need to be dancing right sometimes they're like oh I don't want to dance because you know like how do I dance or maybe you go to the network and it's like oh yeah you know I need to get out cards and I need to meet people and I need to make contact and that just creates like tension and that creates you actually being everything else but probably not yourself. For a lot of people this happens for a lot of people also it doesn't but for a lot of people they come from this energy of you know like who do I need to be instead of actually when we are in our most relaxed state right when I can feel like ah I can be fully me I'm going to be accepted there is nothing that needs to happen I feel the more relaxed I can put myself the more relaxed the environment also brings that part of me the more I can also let go and then then that's where magic happens right like that's where we can have more fun, but that's also where we connect more with people because we are not necessarily trying to get something out of it, the interaction. We're not necessarily trying to look perfect. We're not necessarily trying to do something. And I think that is the essence of what we found out in that first party and which has been just a buildup on the rest of the parties that had come since two years ago of really creating spaces where we can just be connecting with like more authenticity with more ease that you can be networking that you can be having fun, you can be playing, you can be dancing and you can also have depth and you can also go into deeper conversations and you can also be having more ways of connecting that are just not only talking and talking that maybe there is more silence. So that's where we have become also really good with creating also other different areas which also of course micro doing supports connection more a bit into the body into feeling your senses into feeling also more awareness into what's happening your inner world. So that is kind of like more of the the natural consequence of what happens when we when we put also micro doing in a social setting. And how do interactions change from a normal party and a micro doing party? >> I think a lot a lot of ways it changes. Um let me feel into that. I feel it changes in the first thing that's coming is like in the conditioning of how to approach a a micro doin party versus a normal party, right? And I think we have conditioned how we go out like what I was just saying like we come into the club and you know there is like almost like a subconscious way of what we should be doing. We should get a drink. We should get some liquid courage because I'm a bit nervous. You know like what the [ __ ] am I doing here? Oh, I don't know if I really belong here. This looks so awkward. [ __ ] I need to dance. Oh, I like that girl. Oh, right. Like all these things are happening. Or maybe you're heartbroken or maybe you're happy or maybe I don't know. But there are like these conditionings of what I need to do, what I need to do, right? Like how I need to party, how I need to have fun, how I need to go out. So the first thing that happens that is different is we break that. So in a parties we this is kind of more like a process that is not like we necessarily need to tell them. It just like happens naturally. And I think in particular micro doing is very good at um let's say if I go more kind like on the benefits like on a more like health level of also having social interactions with micro doing for instance it also creates new patterns of thinking right so maybe things that you maybe would be doing in a certain way it enhances a deeper neuroplasticity in the brain even if it's in smaller doses what it will be activating your brain is most possibly right it's it's always different for each person and it there are like loads of factors that here you know they should be discussed but in general we just like enhance like a different way of thinking maybe than your usual so what it does it it let's say it creates you new idea so like for a lot of people maybe they come and they're right away like getting into the conditioning like oh you know I need to get a drink you know to get a bit more at ease and suddenly they just realize that's not necessary suddenly they realize like oh right I actually so when they enter we usually propose them to set an intention for the evening. So that is something that brings them also into ah yeah why am I here right like just taking a little pause and thinking yeah why am I coming what's my intention for the evening and if I'm also having this drink what's my intention for drinking it right like so that kind of like rewires a bit different into just like going to let me get another beer you know like into oh yeah what's yeah how I want and they write it down so sometimes you know like we put it also like in a wall so they can see others people intentions and that sometimes it's just more something that they're maybe working through or maybe they just feel you know it's alive in the day you know I want to have connection you know my intention is connection and it's almost like that guidance throughout the whole evening that brings them into yeah what how do they want to experience that so that just right away changes a bit of the way of approaching it from that place of almost like the autopilot of I go and I got a beer you know and then I go and I go to that stage and then I'm here and you know I'm like just like looking and then I don't know what the [ __ ] am I doing here into I'm doing with intentionality Right. So I think that's one of the biggest things that can really get to do for people. So you know it does create changes right like socially it enriches it can enrich so much and of course right like it could go very different for each person but what we have seen in the party right like um is that when we strive to create also a container that has let's say what we call kind of more like the agreements of the space that set a bit more like of the tone of voice and the tone of feeling for the party that does something for people into feeling like oh yeah okay we're on the same page about is oh yeah I don't need to be trying to get something I don't need to go anywhere you know if I want to be you know like I said that in the one of the parties a few weeks ago you know like party your own way like if partying your own way is you need to be for you know following two hours crashed like a potato on the couch and you and that's your party like today your party is just being crushed in a potato does doing nothing not talking with anyone and just you know like you listening to music and being in your happy self that's your party like go for it own it that's parting your way and if parting your way is you are going to be, you know, like like crazy dancing in the dance floor and you know, like interacting with people and, you know, not having a with anyone, but you know, like dancing your ass off and, you know, forgetting about yourself and, you know, like being your crazy self and, you know, like no one's watching you. Do it. And maybe part of your own way. Oh my god, I want to try everything. Oh, so maybe I'm talking here with these guys. Oh my god, the conversation is so good, but now I want to go out to the bonfire and have a look. And then I want to go out and try painting, right? I want to be painting for some hour and then later I want to be dancing. you know I want to try everything party your own way if that's your way of partying tonight like do it so that is what I really feel we can really enrich socially and more than socially like internally for you into just also doing what actually really feels good for you what actually feels um I would say then going back to the question like this is what it does differently into really learning like kind of supporting you to connect also and of course it's not only the micro doing right like it's also the whole set and setting that there has been created you know into how we guide people into the experience that people take into they go into different corners they it's more like an experiential party right like it's an experiential thing >> that is very different than our usual way of partying or having fun where maybe there are no rules but at the same time it's I don't know it could be different for each person exactly there are options >> yeah I like it re your I would say summarize it in this way reveals your true self or your authentic self >> enables you to get deeper connections with people as well. >> Yeah. >> And and yeah, also yeah enables to experiment. Yeah. >> Yeah. Totally. >> I like it. >> And would you say that this kind of parties experiential micro doing parties are for everyone or are there some profiles that uh >> should not go? >> Yeah, definitely. I think they are not for everyone. Um although we want to welcome as much as people as we can. Um so this is where it can get like into there are certain more let's say risks that like in general micro dosing is very safe but in some cases that's where we just suggest not necessarily to be going. So we always disclaim that beforehand and if anyone is maybe more in that on that uh this is not a therapeutic space it's more a space for connection. So that is where we advise just always to go for professionals or maybe just you know try it out like in general microin and in particular silos 7 is very even like done in clinical trials right now there are like so many so much research been done >> yeah there was a doctor researching with cancer patients or psychedelics >> yeah for end of life support yeah and there are like so many research right now being done for depression treatment uh well like anxiety like end of life support like with bigger doses but in particular I feel like now we're in micro do and in particular is setting is more for uh mental health uh so you know like that's to where that would be a whole different story into the results and you know also my opinion on that but uh what do we see is um in general like like our general guidelines are um if you're pregnant or breastfeeding maybe that's not the best setting for you right now like there's still like you know we want to make sure there is research enough you know to be doing that uh also Maybe if you have a history of maybe any um mental illness that goes more into psychosis. Um that is something that we also suggest. Maybe not necessarily maybe the space where you maybe will be right like we don't know that's a bit more unpredictable and u if you're taking SSRI I think that could be maybe something that uh maybe would be better to maybe have the treatment like in general you could be stopping but it's not advised right like that's something you would need to discuss with your doctor. So we shall provide these guidelines into two who would this be not before and I would say those would be the main ones. Um or yeah like I would say if you are in like maybe a crisis state or in a severe trauma I would say micro dosing would not be necessarily like the safest thing for you to be doing. Uh so maybe better get into baseline and then from there take it and explore it. Uh so I would say maybe those cases are in particular maybe needing more of a therapeutic support than maybe a social setting. Yeah. >> Yeah. And what's next in the industry? Amsterdam is regulated but there are uh other countries that are pushing forward to it. Uh US I think they approved recently something. >> Uh what's your take on that? >> Yeah. Well, there's a lot of excitement around this and a lot of tension also in the last years for what's to be happening. Uh the Netherlands is such a gem in that sense. uh where psyocloven has been legal for quite some years uh where there is also a lot of challenges on that you know because it could be used for so many health things and and I also want to put with all of these you know I'm of course putting you all the all the good sides on psychedelics and you know for instance on micro doing of course where like we are aware of like there are lots of things you know where we want to be critical around uh psychedelics and you know like a safe use for them and harm reduction and the same for micro doing so That's something that we do want and we always want to be critical around that and not just put the hype but actually also make the good questions on that. Um, so I say that this is what's happening in the industry, right? Like I don't think it's a market that can go and this is more where it gets a bit more of a thin thing is a very sensitive industry because we're talking about also health, right? Like it works with the mind. Okay. So I think that is something in some way um that I find it mindful that it needs to be taken the necessary steps and that there needs to be more research around things and and yet right like we forget uh sometimes science like ah yeah like we've been trying to you know turn all of these into substances and chemicals and industrialize that and we also then forget right like that they are at the end of the day also plants. that are teachers that they have been guarded for thousands of years by cultures that then we are also playing with you know um with so many more things around you know like we're we need to include also that perspective right like where we need to include also how do we protect those those cultures those the nature how I think there are more questions so so I find that in general like I find it good I find it good there's so much more research I will always be supporting this like we are pro all of this of course because we need that and and yet I feel that it's an industry that needs to be grown with a lot of integrity and with education. Whenever we speak about psychics, it needs to come with education always. >> And what's next for paran exchange more parties different concepts. >> Yeah. But we are working well we are working now on well probably just more our party to refine that and we are obsessed on making the experience for people joining in a way that really just gets like better and better always. So that's more of our core. We have been also flirting a bit with doing more day festival where we can be having um more workshops but we also have more richer education on second league. Sometimes we have like the one you joined with um with the panel. So maybe more workshops around getting to know more around these things uh different tools and also I feel what comes for us is that at the end of the day part exchange and the micro doing part is they didn't start necessarily only around psychedelics and micro doing for us our view is more like micro doing is just a tool right like people want to be in spaces where they can be themselves where they can be uh authentic where they can be connecting where they can be more socially engaged where they can be more heart opened and that Yes, microising is a tool is fantastic and it's not the only one, right? Like there are so many tools we can get the same result. So for us it comes into yeah just continue this movement of you know like uh more spaces of connection beyond the small talk of more depth of more body of more space and that might be coming with more of these parties or maybe other type of events but for now for sure the maybe the festival with more workshops and so that's more in into our into our view >> and any challenges that uh that the exchange is facing right now >> I feel the Netherlands is like such a rich place and people in general like I think in Amsterdam in particular it's a very well-known and uh there are a lot of people you know they had maybe oh my god they had like you know truffle journey or maybe they had therapy with micro doing or something like that and still because it's not yet um so fully known of course there we go into we miss research uh we need also there's stigma around second so I feel that could be more of what we face the lack of information right like misinformation creates you know like um could be maybe shame or stigma or ignorance you know into what it is what it entitles so sometimes for a lot of people maybe when they don't know too much around psychedelics they could feel fear but I feel when there is still shame and when there is still shame because there is this information there is well there is fear and and there are hesitences around also well one of them for instance allowing research and then second um yeah which is what the industry is of course you know been creating into getting more awareness So sometimes we can get to face that like when people don't know too much about that and maybe we're looking for like new locations that could be something into usual they need to be right partners that they know what it entitles that they maybe they have worked with that they they have trust >> um on that and that they maybe they have it has changed their lives right like into the point that they know >> and which is one lesson that you could tell the viewers regarding this journey. Oh. Ah. One lesson I would tell you is yeah, this is what's coming. So, one lesson I would really tell you is become so obsessed about something you love and just share with people. The moment you own your obsession and you just like drive it, you know, like almost like a in Spanish like you know like you like you're just proud of it like you just attract people and you realize suddenly like you know you're not alone. So I would say just dare to be obsessed for the things that you love. Dare to share them. there too, you know, like speak that out, share your story, post it online, write it about it, you know, like tell to everyone. Just allow that really. And I would say you're making a favor to other people like they've been looking for you for years, you know, for days, for months. >> Okay. And last question, any connection you would like to get for Paradigm from Nectra from the >> Oh, that's amazing. Uh, well, we would love to. Yes, we actually have two two ideas. We're still in hunting for um venues and locations. We love trying out new places. Uh so we are always in look for places that would be loving to have and host these sort of events with us. We would love to be in touch with new locations and venues uh that maybe could host from 50 people to 100 people. Um, also if there are people maybe who want to learn more like these benefits or maybe they want to try that out in maybe space and organization where maybe they want to have that maybe as an experience uh as growth maybe it doesn't necessarily needs to be in a party setting but maybe as in the more like in a well-being setting. I feel that micro doing is such a great tool also for enhancing cognition for productivity for creativity. So if there is anyone who maybe wants to be experimenting this rather with their teams or you know maybe like in a setting where they get to know about it like that is also something we would love to offer and share. And the last one is um we have been also actively you know open for any research uh any academics or researchers who want to be having our spaces more as a place where they can also be doing research and see the benefits. You know I think Sarah and happy they're already doing also some research around micro doing and social connection but yeah in we can provide more these are happening on a more regular basis so cyclic researchers are very welcome also to reach us out. >> Perfect. So let's see we >> thank you so much for the interview. >> Yeah likewise thank you for bringing me. >> That was it. Thank you. Thank you.
